Good morningI've been searching for a great piano sound software(steinway) and came across these 2. Dam, they sound fantastic although i see the price difference so that been said, what do you guys recommend out of these 2?I also came across addictive keys and ravenscroft. I have no experience with none of these so i need your different opinions. It would be good to have one that has various samples like steinway, bosen, yamaha c7 etc. Although my favorite is steinway.The 2 that caught my attention were Ivory 2 and pianoteq5, but one thing is hearing it on a computer another is actually playing them so that's why i need any of you that have had both or at least one of them, to kindly give me your opinion.

• Synthogy Ivory 2 Bittorrent
• Synthogy Ivory Ii American Concert D

Thanks in advance!(ad) SWEETWATER Lowest PricesRe: Synthogy Ivory 2 grand pianos or pianoteq 509/08/16 07:29 AM. My situation: I have nearly two dozen different pianos. Many are good, some are very good. Some are terrible. None were available as demos, so I wasted lots of money on the bad ones.Pianoteq has a free demo, though. This was fortunate because I was able to deduce how much I detested the sound of Pianoteq without spending any money, avoiding yet another wasted piano purchase.

Lots has been said in these pages about the virtues of Pianoteq, but I just don't get it. Yes, Pianoteq feels good (responsive), but it sound to me unrealistic. And it sounds as though the piano is in another room rather than right in front of me. Not at all satisfying.As for the good ones.I have Ivory 1. The set includes a German Steinway, a Yamaha, and a Bosendorfer. I especially like the Bosie.

The others have been surpassed by other brands, so I no longer use the Ivory Steinway and Yamaha. (I skipped Ivory 2 because it's expensive and requires an Ilok key. $400 all told.)I have Galaxy Vintage D (a Steinway), which is the most realistic of my pianos. It's not perfect, but it's truly superb. More than any other piano I own this one tests your skills as a pianist. It has a wide range of responsiveness, more than any of the others.

Sloppiness of dynamic technique will be tolerated by the others, by not by the Vintage D.Note, though, that others here on the board have purchased newer Steinways in the form of the American D and the Ivory 2 suite, which might be even better than the Vintage D (but don't have those so I cannot say).I also have the Kawai EX Pro, which is a workhorse for me. And the Grandeur (another Steinway), which is excellent (though it has some faults in the bass section).I also own some stinkers, Alicia's Keys being the one that comes first to mind.Summary: If you're limiting your choice to Ivory 2 vs. Pianoteq, I'd choose Ivory.But you might also consider the Vintage D and American D.Re: Synthogy Ivory 2 grand pianos or pianoteq 509/08/16 07:44 AM. Pianoteq 5 is modelled rather than sampled based.

This means that the sounds are generated in real time by a bunch of complex mathematical algorithms. The upshot of this is that Pianoteq is more responsive dynamically, and better resembles how a real piano operates to play.

Sonically however, Pianoteq is not as good as the sampled based VST's like Ivory II, Vienna Imperial, Galaxy, Ravenscroft, Garritan etc. Presently, the sample based virtual software pianos (VSTs) take allot of computer memory (Gigabytes) which is why Pianoteq has some advantage in that respect; however, the sampled sounds are closer to how a real acoustic sounds.Most of them do free trials, so you can find out for yourself what they are like to play.Warning though:To get the best out of Pianoteq, you may want to do things like slightly detune individual notes: the pro version allows this, the cheaper one's do not. Pianoteq is a good tool for people who like to tweak.

It is disappointing that the Synthogy line is not downloadable for trial or testing. Sure the 'demo's they make sound good, but it's better to see how they perform on your own system, also the price seems suspicious. XLN seems interesting, price is reasonable, and seems usable as a VST in FL or other DAWs. East/West also has a nice catelog, however priced extremely high- although, they are now providing a 'cloud' based service you can pay monthly for almost everthing they have (29 USD/month). Might be worth looking into:-)Re: Synthogy Ivory 2 grand pianos or pianoteq 509/08/16 07:56 AM. In order, the best sounding VST pianos to my ear are:Garritan CFXIvory II (Steinway Only - the c7 and bos are terrible)Ivory II American DRavenscroftGalaxy Vintage DAfter the first two, I have issues with all the rest but they can be well regarded by others. PianoTeq is down on the list but it's free to try.

It is very responsive and expressive.Like MacMacMac, I have a lot of VSTs and most of them are indeed 'stinkers' and I cannot play them for more than a minute before I have to stop. I don't care for Kawai EX but I like Alicia's Keys better than PianoTeq.I play the Garritan CFX almost exclusively these days. If you like the sound of the Yamaha, that may be the lowest cost approach (or perhaps Ivory American D). I probably should add.I do not use any of my (many - see below) VSTs anymore.I like the sound of the ES8 SK Concert Grand (internal to the ES8) with headphones and I use that exclusively.Now and then, I take a listen to one of the VSTs (using headphones) but quickly move back to the ES8 sound.Don't believe everything you hear or read about the VSTs.They are not perfect, either.Thanks for that info. I just recently started using Pianoteq and do like some of the sounds, but I also like the internal sound of the Yamaha YDP-181.

Synthogy Ivory 2 Bittorrent

It isn't all that bad. One thing I don't like about the YDP-181 is the touch control. It's hard to get very soft or very loud. I see this when using Pianoteq. When pressing a key as soft as I can, it registers around 25 in Pianoteq. So with Pianoteq I can adjust the velocity curve and at least help bring out some of the softer spots.

But this could just mean that a better digital piano is needed. I probably should add.I do not use any of my (many - see below) VSTs anymore.I like the sound of the ES8 SK Concert Grand (internal to the ES8) with headphones and I use that exclusively.Now and then, I take a listen to one of the VSTs (using headphones) but quickly move back to the ES8 sound.Don't believe everything you hear or read about the VSTs.They are not perfect, either.We are fortunate that there is so much to choose from. At some point, a computer beat a man in chess. Maybe the computer will never beat the piano in making a piano sound, but it's making progress.As you can tell, I really like Pianoteq. It's been over 2 years since PTQ 5 came out. When it did, it was a real improvement over version 4.

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If Pianoteq 6 is as much of an improvement, I think that even some of the naysayers here are going to be groupies. As you can see below I have quite a few of the products mentioned above.

You have to consider both the sound and the playability. There can be huge differences in both for each piano. On-line recorded demo's of the pianos are WORTHLESS. In fact, they are worse than worthless. They will cost you money for things you will never play again. I know you may not believe that, but you will after you waste many hundreds of dollars to find out why its true. So I'd pay attention to the advice you can get on this forum.

Not everyone agrees, but if you read enough past comments you will find there are some clear favorites.The Vintage D may be the most recommended piano on the forum for its sound and playability. It is relatively inexpensive and some of us think it is the best for a wide range of musical genres. I especially recommend it for pop and jazz. It would be my #1 choice. The Ivory II American D would be my 2nd choice, especially for classical. It doesn't have the range of realistic timbre voicing options that the Vintage D has, but it is very realistic with great playability. Then there are several sampled pianos I would put in the middle, and finally pianos like Alicia's Keys and EWQL that I've buried.The Garritan CFX has pedaling issues (no repedaling) that don't bother some people, but disqualifies it for me.

Otherwise, a lot of people seem to like it.Pianoteq is not sampled, it is modeled. I used to hate Pianoteq, until version 5 and the Model D option came out. Now I play the Model D a lot. Probably about as much as the Vintage D.

Pianoteq has made huge advancements so it will be interesting to see how much farther they can go. Re EWQLP, I have it, and I think the overall sound in the demos is accurate, and VERY good, by the way. What isn't at all obvious from the demos is that they don't respond very well - there can be abrupt changes in tone with velocity, for example.

Synthogy Ivory Ii American Concert D

The main thing that bugs me though is that the bass notes are not loud enough, IMHO. Maybe the Gold version, with just the 'Player' mic perspective, would be worth considering, for some extra sounds to play with every now and then, and for making some recordings. (the other mic perspectives aren't very important I don't think, unless you're a pro wanting to fine tune the tone). I don't think it's suitable for day to day practice. No half pedalling or re-pedalling btw.Greg.Re: Synthogy Ivory 2 grand pianos or pianoteq 509/10/16 03:47 AM.